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Step Apart from Six Apart on 06/06/06

Next Tuesday, June 6th, some of your LJ friends may be deleting their accounts. You might want to think about it too. Here's some info about the strike, and about why they're doing it and how it started.

Personally, I think the only thing that will make LJ sit up and listen is if people delete their paid accounts and don't come back. After all, money talks. Hopefully they will take notice anyway.

I've changed my default icon in solidarity, although it's a little silly (the icon, that is). I wholly support what these ladies (and hopefully some gentlemen too) are doing. You should think about showing your support too. Where will your journal be on June 6th?

[ETA: There's a meaty discussion going on about this at TNH's blog.]

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everyonesakitty
Jun. 1st, 2006 04:02 am (UTC)
oooh, thx for the tip! I'll mark my calendar.

and omg great icon!
seph_ski
Jun. 1st, 2006 02:03 pm (UTC)
I have to say that I'm on the other side of this. The rule is no exposed breasts in your default icon, not "no breastfeeding", not "in *any* of your icons". No nekkid boobies in your default icon. Now I'm no prude and personally don't see the fascination with breasts anyhow, but the rule has always been the rule, and now the lactating crazy people think their boobies deserve special priledges because they're actually being used for something??? I think they're nuts. ...Which I'm assuming also aren't allowed in default icons, nuts. heh.

Fer the love of Peter (also not allowed in default icons), people!!! Just use something else as your default, and select to use your stupid icon with the baby latched on to your tit when you post! It's not unreasonable. Some people just look for reasons to get their panties in a bunch, IMO. Yes, breastfeeding is natural and a great thing to do and a beautiful bonding experience between mother and baby, but most people don't want it put in their face. I have nothing against women breasfeeding in public because I can just look away. I don't want to see it when I load up my friends page any more than I want to see someone changing a diaper or taking a piss. Sex between two loving people is a beautiful thing too, but I don't want it served up in front of me in my own webspace.

Sorry. That got rantier than I intended. This is just the first I've heard of the strike, and I think it's so stupid! Not just the reason for it, but come on? Delete your journal for a day and come right back? If it's something someone really believes is worth fighting for, they'd just go away. It seems extremely silly to me. And I, for one, support the no squirmy *default* icons rule.
kimberlycreates
Jun. 1st, 2006 03:05 pm (UTC)
The "it's just the default icon" argument is a load of bull. If LJ wants to take a stance on no body parts, they can't selectively enforce it. You either enforce it all the way, or not at all. Under LJ's selective-enforcement policy, it's okay if a breastfeeding advocate makes something else (say, my tits and boobies icon) their default, but then uses a breastfeeding icon with every post they make.

Personally, I don't think the one-day blackout will work either. I've said that. If I felt as strongly about the issue as some of these folks do, I'd be voting with my feet and leaving LJ permanently, which is where I think this is headed anyway. I'm not that passionate about it myself, but I support those who are.
seph_ski
Jun. 1st, 2006 03:49 pm (UTC)
I believe the "default icon" is at issue here so that if there is ever an uproarish cry of indecency over icons, they can program the option to always display default icons on your friends page which, according to the rules, are less likey to be offensive. That way people can still express themselves in their icons however they want, and readers who don't want to be exposed to all of that don't have to be. It's perfectly fair.

That may even be a feature now. I'm too lazy to go look, but I seem to recall that, as an LJ'er, I have some amount of control over how my friends icons are displayed on my friends page. If it's not a feature yet, it's just good planning to anticipate that kind of a need. Consider it like the v-chip in a television. I don't know for sure that's their reasoning and I don't care enough about the issue to put the time into researching it, but it seems perfectly logical to me.
kimberlycreates
Jun. 1st, 2006 03:09 pm (UTC)
Oh, and I know where you're coming from in one way. I tend to look away too. But slamming public breastfeeding as exhibitionist and indecent is, IMO, wrong. And that's what LJ is doing in effect.

And don't apologize for getting ranty, that was a good rant. :)
seph_ski
Jun. 1st, 2006 03:53 pm (UTC)
I can kind of see that point, but I don't think they're slamming public breast feeding as indecent. I think they're just saying, "Hey, that makes some people uncomfortable and it does fall under our no nudity rule, so please don't do it."

And don't apologize for getting ranty, that was a good rant. :)

LOL! Why, thank you. :)
kimberlycreates
Jun. 1st, 2006 04:30 pm (UTC)
There are plenty of non-default user icons that make me even more uncomfortable than a breastfeeding icon. And I have a pretty high tolerance level for these things! But since they're not the default icon, LJ will let them stand. This is selective enforcement.

I do think it's slamming breastfeeding though. They're lumping it in with sexualized nudity, which is as ridiculous as porn blockers that won't let you view a breast cancer awareness site.

I can see your points, but we disagree. :)
seph_ski
Jun. 1st, 2006 04:10 pm (UTC)
Plus, *IMO*, while I don't think public breast feeding is exhibitionist, I think taking a picture of it and showing it to the whole world kinda is. Not in a sexual, look at my boobie kind of way, but exhibitionist in a slightly different kind of way. It's natural and wonderful and NOTHING to be ashamed of or made to feel like you should hide that fact that you breastfeed, but it just seems in very poor taste to me anyone would make a show of it. If not in poor taste, certainly annoying at the very least. LOOK AT ME! I'M BREASTFEEDING! LOOK! LOOK! IT'S PERFECTLY NATURAL! NOTHING TO HIDE! ARE YOU LOOKING? LOOK!

Honestly, I could understand a tasteful photo of a mother in soft lighting, smiling down on her peacefully breastfeeding baby. That could be done in a beautiful and artistic and *meaningful* way. Of course, in a 100x100 pixel icon, there wouldn't be enough boob showing in a picture like that to be inflammatory, and I doubt it would trip any alarms ...until maybe now, now that some people have made such a big stink over the issue. But, in the brief bit of reading I've done on this issue, I haven't seen *ANY* icons like that. The ones I've seen are all close up of baby sucking on boobie. Not pretty, not tasteful, just a functional feeding and strange to see in an icon. It very much has that LOOK AT WHAT I'M DOING! feel to it, and *that* is very annoying.

I think the people who are offended by all public breast feeding are being silly and prudish and even rude, but I do think some amount of discretion is called for, and *IMO* women who just flop a breast out there and put their baby on it without any attempt to be discrete or with any concern for other people's comfort levels... well, I think they're just as silly and rude.
kimberlycreates
Jun. 1st, 2006 04:37 pm (UTC)
I see the breastfeeding icons as statements that "This issue is important to me" or "This is something that is very meaningful to me."
I also see what you mean about the "look what I'm doing" feel to it, but I can see why some lactivists would specifically want that feel. Women do have the right to breastfeed in public, and I think it's important to get rid of the tabboo on public breastfeeding.
seph_ski
Jun. 1st, 2006 05:05 pm (UTC)
Which leads to a bigger issue than just breastfeeding...
Yeah, I agree, but I just don't see that happening, certainly not through strategies like this breastfeeding icon campaign. There are always going to be the very insecure and uptight people who are going to take offense, and that's going to make some women put themselves out there just to prove a point which is going to offend even more people (like me) who probably didn't have an issue with it when it was done politely and with discretion, ... It's just a cycle of two opposing mindsets butting heads and getting other people caught up in their battle in the process. Ideally, it would be nice if everyone could just get over their hangups and be nice to each other, but it's not an ideal world so we have to allow for those hangups and just try extra hard not to offend *to a reasonable extent*. Which brings up the matter that the whole of society is never going to agree on what is "reasonable".

Sometimes (*most times*) you can't make the world see things your way, so you just have to agree to disagree and make an extra effort not to step on each other's toes. Too many people get caught up in the passion of these kinds of fights for "the right thing" and become far more interested in proving they're right than in getting along. I'm 210% for the getting along.

I'd like to see women breastfeeding wherever necessary, but doing it under a blanket or in an out-of-the-way quiet corner, at least making an effort to show some consideration for other people's comfort levels. Putting it "in your face" by posting pictures of it or doing it right at the table in a nice restaurant or in the middle of a busy shopping center to make a point isn't going to acclimate people to it, it's just going to make people mad that anyone would have so little regard for everyone else in the world. I agree with their intentions, but their methods are selfish and inflammatory and mostly counter-productive. That's my opinion, but also my observation. I see most people, even pro-breastfeeding poeple, getting turned off by this kind of "we're here; get used to it" attitude, and not a single person who is against public breastfeeding being inspired to stop and rethink things.

You have to show some respect to earn it. Catch more flies with honey, and all that.
kalquessa
Jun. 1st, 2006 06:20 pm (UTC)
I am going to give my stance on this as "utterly baffled". But then I usually don't see the point in these kerfuffles. Perhaps I am too lazy to get properly indignant. What I see is this:

LJ: Guys, no nekkid boobies in the default user icons, please.

People: *break rule*

LJ: *deletes people breaking rule*

People: OMG YOU TOTALLY DIS BREASTFEEDING!!!!1

Me: *fails to care, backs away slowly*

That's probably a huge over-simplification, but...*shrug*
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